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Dumb Pollock's avatar

No. The first step is to restore the home church centered on the sacred fire and tomb. Paganism is intensely familial, a commune of the dead, the quick, and the unborn. It is this familial cult that is the source of all European culture. The House Father is the prototype of the king and the wife the priestess and oracle. We start here.

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blank's avatar

The worship of Republican Rome and Greece as a function of heroism seems naive. Greece and Rome invented the western tradition of slave economies and slave governments - the slave religion that Nietzsche complains about was destined to follow. The appetite for world conquest by Alexander and Scipio came with the desire for transforming the world to give the conquerors eternal wealth and to remake the world in the image of their culture. Alexander tried to marry his generals to Persian women, Rome became a city of slaves and an unruly mob, and everything great about those peoples started to decay and rot.

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Dumb Pollock's avatar

Without slaves, there would be no leisure needed to understand how nature functions. Once we understand how the natural forces function and how to exploit them, the machines can then replace the slaves. The only thing missing from those ages was to acknowledge the value of labor. Roman and Greek farmers like Hesiod already stress the value of industry but it took a long time to become really pervasive enough that the artists like Michelangelo could be accorded the same honor as the warrior. Once this happened, the Black Death was the last step to create a very tight labor market that push the machines forward, creating our high-tech age today. Cheap labor always retard the development of the productive machines.

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blank's avatar

There is a healthier alternative to the slave for the production of aristocrats with leisure time: the serf. Industry doesn't just need clever inventors, but also reliable laborers.

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Dumb Pollock's avatar

The serfdom was a result of ruinous debt encouraged by the ruling class who both charged the small Roman farmers massive interests and also grasping massive land for their own slave-run cash crop plantations. Since the farmers lost legal recourse due to the planters’ political and commercial power, the only way to work off the debt was to be tied to the land for generations. While the medieval serf may have many rights and privileges by 1200, their origins was very much rooted in slavery. Brooks Adams went into much detail about it and why it destroyed the Roman Empire in his essay The Law of Civilizational Decay. He noted that when the unpaid soldier-farmers didn’t have to deal with bad debts and endangerment of their lands, they fought far better and with more zeal than the later professional legions.

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blank's avatar

The manorial economy was the result of a gradual transformation of slavery by the new German overlords, yes.

Nationalism is also a much better motivator for getting peasants to fight, but BAP would also be quick to list its downsides.

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Alexander was an idiot later in life we know

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blank's avatar

Alexander didn't spontaneously become an idiot later in life. The same traits that made him such a ruthless and efficient conqueror also made him driven to hold onto the lands he conquered at all costs, even (especially?) if it meant dissolving his own race.

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Chad Johnson's avatar

How do we eradicate leftists as biological types?

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blank's avatar

Impossible

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Chad Johnson's avatar

Impossible to cut their dicks off huh? Maybe u lack imagination.

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blank's avatar

These sorts of personality types naturally arise in any population. They can't be completely eliminated.

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Chad Johnson's avatar

They don’t naturally, easily survive infant & childhood mortality without severe medical intervention at a time when normal people have a below replacement birth rate. Maybe constant COVID vaccine boosters & increased rates of abortion will add to dwindling their numbers.

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Sectionalism Archive's avatar

With respect to Julian It is more accurate to describe the natural phenomena as symbols of the gods rather than vice versa. Some of these symbols are arbitrary, but most are indices. Even the very rationalist Platonists believed in the gods as real, intellectual agents who could influence this world

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Steven's avatar

I too feel the energy in things, and I have always had intense dreams, fantasies, and hypnogogic hallucinations. I'm not sure what to make of it, and I have learned to tune it out and focus on the tasks at hand, but it seems like a betrayal. When I was younger I thought it was leading me somewhere: perhaps it still is.

I am not a pagan - I'm actually a practicing tradCath of the offline variety - but I've concluded the creation itself is full of things that are directly apprehendable yet not part of the traditional Christian schema. I try to explain this to others and they think I'm just being eccentric, but I believe this: the ancestors, the spirits of the land, the great works of art, the strange creatures in my dreams that have no connection to anything I've otherwise encountered, even more prosaic things like certain houses or bridges - they are alive. I often drive past a natural hillock that looks a bit like a kurgan burial mound: this place has great power. In an earlier age I would have demanded a church or temple be placed there. Its power is obvious to me. Actually I should see if the land is for sale. I must own that mound.

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WeepingWillow's avatar

Aren't all of us westeners who aren't Christian but Spiritual just the logical conclusion of the Reformation but without falling to the secular recreation of the transnational Catholic Church that is the current secular atheist religion? We are the mystics (Nietchze being one) to their priestly class?

We have stripped back all institutional mediation between ourselves and the infinite to the point we are just the individual will before God/Gods/Universe/Infinite whatever you want to name it. Which is a return to Paganism in the sense that paganism literally means the country folk, those outside the Cathedral.

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Bill Price's avatar

I've come to think that the pagans, in abandoning animism, set the stage for their eventual fall. The animist concept of forms, rediscovered by Plato, gave rise to the synthetic philosophy that ultimately became Christianity.

To unlock the mysteries one must go back to the time of shamans and totemism, before the pagan loss of insight into such essential things.

This is the special characteristic of Japanese civilization, which has more than any other modern society kept this.

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Travis's avatar

Yes. Well put. Christianity and Paganism have similar contemporary versions of old enemies.

Mmmmm…could it be saatan??!!

Atheist, transhumanism, communism, capitalism, to name a few. All tentacles of the disavowing of the spirit. The soul devouring octopus of chaos toward infinite nothingness.

Jesus rejected the offer of the world by Satan. His was a sacrifice of the vision of the worldly, so to be born in spirit.

The portal was thus opened. Gods blueprint, Gods desire to connect with man, man as a bridge was built and activated.

Remember kids; the bridge is the important part!…or maybe it was the finding of the bridge? Ultimately it’s about the becoming the bridge.

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Ernst Younger's avatar

Apollo, God of mechanized slaughter

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