I put out this article on August 1, 2019 and it can still be found at https://theamericansun.wordpress.com/2019/08/01/bap-on-israels-problem/ ; it is topical now still because it seems this conflict never stops being “of interest.”
BAP's strength is his relative intellectual depth, his impressive historical range, his unblinking appraisal of power and its motives. This is also his trap. He builds his ideal on the most disciplined and theatrical failure in modern history. Japan under the war state was indeed elegant in death, but it achieved almost nothing by it except ruin. The emperor cult produced a spiritually unified people with no capacity to resist annihilation, or even to doubt orders. They were unified in a stupid illusion. That model is not statecraft, or a call to heroism; it’s a suicide pact disguised as metaphysics. The Western world, for all its decadence, at least flinches at mass death. BAP? No. So BAP’s brilliance is a dead-end brilliance. He’s the smartest man at the funeral, delivering a eulogy for the very idea of a sane, sustainable civilization. The only thing he finds left to praise, or the only things, are ancient societies that he pretends to believe had heroes who were representative of the man in the street, and an island-bound death cult that had to be firebombed and then atom-bombed by the mongrels of America, who then rebuilt it. Well. The rich, vulgar, commercial, multicultural mongrel empire America won that war, not as myth, but as fact: with its plumbers, jazz, engineers, logistics, and refusal to die for metaphysics. In BAP's world, that reality is intolerable. So he crowns the flames and refuses the rebuild. That’s the choice. A beautiful death or an ugly life. He chooses death. And teaches boys to dream of it. He's a bad influence, isn't he? And proud of it.
I have never understood the hatred some Jews express toward the Romans, like Eric Weinstein flipping off the arch of Titus. Yes the Romans beat ancient Herodian Judea, but so what? The Romans also beat the ancient Gauls, Britons, Etruscans, Greeks, Macedonians, and dozens of others. That the arch of Titus so prominently displays the conquest of Judea should be a point of pride for the Jews. The Judeans fought hard enough that the mightiest empire in the world took pride in beating them. It's also somewhat ironic since we now know from DNA Ashkenazi's have a significant genetic element from late imperial Rome. The Israeli's should make clear that when they make references to their right to an ancient homeland they mean the Roman Empire, and not the piddly and constantly squabbling ancient Judean kingdom. This is what Josephus meant when he said Vespasian was the Jewish messiah.
Read "the weight of 3000 years" by Israel Shahak. The Jewish religion is a bit like the system depicted in the movie "The Village", which constructs and elaborate and false bogeyman to prevent members from going "off the reservation". I.e. it makes Jews believe they are in an eternal war with non-Jews-- a war which, in most cases, the non-Jews are not even aware is going on.
Read "The Pity of It All: A Portrait of the German-Jewish Epoch, 1743-1933" by Amos Elon. The historical record indicates that most European Jews bet on assimilation and co-existence with non-Jews prior to WWII.
If you discount the overwhelming majority of the European Jewish population, sure. German Jews were demographically tiny both within Germany and within European Jewry.
Yes, Eastern European Jews were much more of a "people apart" than German Jews. Nonetheless, most European Jews sought peaceful coexistence with non-Jews and some degree of assimilation to modern European civilization (if not a complete loss of identity). That was a guiding principle of the Haskalah (Jewish Enlightenment), which was pan-European. Or consider the vast numbers of Eastern European Jews who immigrated to the West and de facto rejected shtetl life.
Even Zionism was, in a sense, an assimilationist movement. Its goal was to make Jews a "normal" nation with their own territory. As Leon Pinsker (who was born in Poland) wrote: "The great ideas of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries have not passed by our people without leaving a mark. We feel not only as Jews; we feel as men. As men, we, too, wish to live like other men and be a nation like the others."
I don’t disagree with any of that. Also, I was responding to your comment in a vacuum, didn’t mean to come off as endorsing Shahak.
I do tend to see the assimilatory tendency of European Jews exaggerated and the internal dynamics that maintained social distance from Gentiles (non-commensalism, endogamy, the autonomous legal system, etc.) deemphasized relative to external pressures in the same direction.
That’s fair. My broader point is that the dominant tendency in European Jewish life was toward assimilation into Western modernity. Debates were largely over the nature and degree of that assimilation. The initial poster’s comment that Judaism was designed to “prevent members from going off the reservation” shows a typical JQ obsessive’s ignorance of internal Jewish debate and post-Enlightenment intellectual history.
This is a bit like reading a treatise on color and music theory written by Hellen Keller. It’s possible she has something of value to say, but there are inevitably crucial pieces missing in her worldview.
To wit: you are a cosmopolitan atheistic (mb “spiritual”) hedonist discoursing on the inner life of what is fundamentally a religious nation-the most religious, as we have always existed only insofar as we’ve clung to the Torah (which includes the Talmud-it’s not a superstructure but inherent to the Torah.) Jews who stepped away from the Torah for more than a few generations left no Jewish descendants-look at the Hellenistic Jews of Alexandria, for instance. Jewish identity has always involved existence and self-sacrifice for God’s will, and our only real connection to the Land of Israel is religious-while Herzl and the rest really wanted a place where they could assimilate into fin de siecle European mores in peace, this is not what drove the vast majority of those who came here and stayed.
I won’t really address the speculation that a significant chunk of the online white nationalist discourse is driven by Israel, except to note the total hummus hamhandedness of Israel’s visible PR efforts: slutty IDF girls twerking at the camera, AI-generated slop of Marvel supervillains crying at the pure evil of Hamas’ actions and other hasbara trash. These people are as far removed from the sophistication you attribute to them as the Jews of 1935 Germany from their portrayal in Der Sturmer in the famous joke.
Finally, I will note that your closing really begs the question: “it’s enough to want to survive”-but in the godless world of the hedonist, who really wants to survive? For what? You see secular hedonists from America to Hungary to East Asia, and they all have one thing in common: no kids. This is how the Greeks and Romans ended up, too: see Barton and Burckhardt’s portrayals. “And a lot of poison at last, for a pleasant death.”
I cannot help but feel as if BAP's entire aura as a human being is based on being a paternal mischling. There is just a deep seated anger bleeding from the letters of this piece. Self-Hating Jews have been a bane to human existence. This vitality darwinian conquest nonsense is just metaphysically bad.
Achi you can just do an orthodox conversion, or just move to Tel Aviv and identify as Jewish. It's not too late to desist from this evil.
Self hated jews but then you don't recognize him as Jewish? Which one cohan? Religious larp about elohim is not what bap look for. His blood is European not middle Eastern ( as with most askenazis that created your state)
You say "a broader acceptance of white nationalist principles in the West would be to Israel’s advantage". I'm not so sure. An acceptance of white nationalist principles would mean that the West was free to interrogate and question its own history. Inevitably facts would come to light which were highly prejudicial to the Jews. After this, it would be hard to see much acceptance of Jews within Western nations and it would be hard to see why the West would continue to provide financial and military support to Israel.
And I think Jews tend to be hyper-aware of this. They know the Jewish mindset; they know that Jews have probably secretly done all kinds of shenanigans, even if they don't know the details. And they probably have a highly exaggerated idea of what the response of white Westerners would be towards the Jews once they found these things out. (I.e. they believe we would genocide them, probably in an extremely imaginative and improbable way).
For a moment I was concerned that the Jewish Zionist Alex Karp having access to spy on the American right wing was a problem, especially after he personally took credit for dismantling the far right in Europe. Now that the Romanian Jew BAP has explained how Israel is actually metaphysically European and more spiritually aligned with Caesar rather than Christianity, I’m much more comfortable ignoring Israel completely and instead focusing on squabbling with the homeless brown people that Jews are letting into the country.
One thing we can say about bap that you cannot say about fellow "pro white" Mexicans in America like fuentes is that he is genuinely European and White. You can hate the jews and still be objective. Zionism came from European colonialism. There is a reason White south africans were BFF with Israelis. It was a common alliance against the invasive brown black alliance. I assume the reason you don't hate the brown invaders is because you may share their genetics
Romanian shtetl refugee = Aryan Christian? Lol found the jew. Israel is a refugee colony for the inbreds that Hitler missed. I don’t hate any group of people because I’m not jewish like you and Costin, but if the browns want to reenact Kristallnacht on hang gliders I’m not exactly stifling my laughter either.
To the extent that Israel is a colonial project I have always felt great kinship with it. This was easier when their military were equipped with Cents, Mirages and SLRs just like South Africa and Australia. Howeverto the extent that they are a genuine Levant nation I have found them utterly alien. Ironically Israel vehemently denies the former but embraces the latter.
But, on your last point, can Based cults still be helpful for coordinating private life even if they are ineffective as a system of government?
Might not Spiritualism of the Evolian kind, developed in hushed but excited voices behind closed doors as an alternative to a bland and unenticing culture, be useful as a means of vetting newcomers, guiding individual self development and galvanising us in favour of long and hard works to come?
Your podcast often feels well inclined to such things!
After a lifetime of disappointments the instinct of self preservation that you mention as primarily needed (directed personally and towards Western Civilisation) is not something so easily taken for granted to exist amongst many of us today.
BAP's strength is his relative intellectual depth, his impressive historical range, his unblinking appraisal of power and its motives. This is also his trap. He builds his ideal on the most disciplined and theatrical failure in modern history. Japan under the war state was indeed elegant in death, but it achieved almost nothing by it except ruin. The emperor cult produced a spiritually unified people with no capacity to resist annihilation, or even to doubt orders. They were unified in a stupid illusion. That model is not statecraft, or a call to heroism; it’s a suicide pact disguised as metaphysics. The Western world, for all its decadence, at least flinches at mass death. BAP? No. So BAP’s brilliance is a dead-end brilliance. He’s the smartest man at the funeral, delivering a eulogy for the very idea of a sane, sustainable civilization. The only thing he finds left to praise, or the only things, are ancient societies that he pretends to believe had heroes who were representative of the man in the street, and an island-bound death cult that had to be firebombed and then atom-bombed by the mongrels of America, who then rebuilt it. Well. The rich, vulgar, commercial, multicultural mongrel empire America won that war, not as myth, but as fact: with its plumbers, jazz, engineers, logistics, and refusal to die for metaphysics. In BAP's world, that reality is intolerable. So he crowns the flames and refuses the rebuild. That’s the choice. A beautiful death or an ugly life. He chooses death. And teaches boys to dream of it. He's a bad influence, isn't he? And proud of it.
I have never understood the hatred some Jews express toward the Romans, like Eric Weinstein flipping off the arch of Titus. Yes the Romans beat ancient Herodian Judea, but so what? The Romans also beat the ancient Gauls, Britons, Etruscans, Greeks, Macedonians, and dozens of others. That the arch of Titus so prominently displays the conquest of Judea should be a point of pride for the Jews. The Judeans fought hard enough that the mightiest empire in the world took pride in beating them. It's also somewhat ironic since we now know from DNA Ashkenazi's have a significant genetic element from late imperial Rome. The Israeli's should make clear that when they make references to their right to an ancient homeland they mean the Roman Empire, and not the piddly and constantly squabbling ancient Judean kingdom. This is what Josephus meant when he said Vespasian was the Jewish messiah.
Read "the weight of 3000 years" by Israel Shahak. The Jewish religion is a bit like the system depicted in the movie "The Village", which constructs and elaborate and false bogeyman to prevent members from going "off the reservation". I.e. it makes Jews believe they are in an eternal war with non-Jews-- a war which, in most cases, the non-Jews are not even aware is going on.
Read "The Pity of It All: A Portrait of the German-Jewish Epoch, 1743-1933" by Amos Elon. The historical record indicates that most European Jews bet on assimilation and co-existence with non-Jews prior to WWII.
If you discount the overwhelming majority of the European Jewish population, sure. German Jews were demographically tiny both within Germany and within European Jewry.
Yes, Eastern European Jews were much more of a "people apart" than German Jews. Nonetheless, most European Jews sought peaceful coexistence with non-Jews and some degree of assimilation to modern European civilization (if not a complete loss of identity). That was a guiding principle of the Haskalah (Jewish Enlightenment), which was pan-European. Or consider the vast numbers of Eastern European Jews who immigrated to the West and de facto rejected shtetl life.
Even Zionism was, in a sense, an assimilationist movement. Its goal was to make Jews a "normal" nation with their own territory. As Leon Pinsker (who was born in Poland) wrote: "The great ideas of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries have not passed by our people without leaving a mark. We feel not only as Jews; we feel as men. As men, we, too, wish to live like other men and be a nation like the others."
First wave zionist were not that bad actually. They were basically white nationalist with a messianic religion
I don’t disagree with any of that. Also, I was responding to your comment in a vacuum, didn’t mean to come off as endorsing Shahak.
I do tend to see the assimilatory tendency of European Jews exaggerated and the internal dynamics that maintained social distance from Gentiles (non-commensalism, endogamy, the autonomous legal system, etc.) deemphasized relative to external pressures in the same direction.
That’s fair. My broader point is that the dominant tendency in European Jewish life was toward assimilation into Western modernity. Debates were largely over the nature and degree of that assimilation. The initial poster’s comment that Judaism was designed to “prevent members from going off the reservation” shows a typical JQ obsessive’s ignorance of internal Jewish debate and post-Enlightenment intellectual history.
Reminder that BAP is a Jew
and a Romanian glowie. carry on, gentlemen
Glowie in what why? You think eastern Europeans have feds like in North America doing psyop on a daily? You overestimate them lol
do your research, idiot
Glowie in what why? You think eastern Europeans have feds like in North America doing psyop on a daily? You overestimate them lol
Yes, brother.
You have schizophrenia
He’s back! 👏🏻
This is a bit like reading a treatise on color and music theory written by Hellen Keller. It’s possible she has something of value to say, but there are inevitably crucial pieces missing in her worldview.
To wit: you are a cosmopolitan atheistic (mb “spiritual”) hedonist discoursing on the inner life of what is fundamentally a religious nation-the most religious, as we have always existed only insofar as we’ve clung to the Torah (which includes the Talmud-it’s not a superstructure but inherent to the Torah.) Jews who stepped away from the Torah for more than a few generations left no Jewish descendants-look at the Hellenistic Jews of Alexandria, for instance. Jewish identity has always involved existence and self-sacrifice for God’s will, and our only real connection to the Land of Israel is religious-while Herzl and the rest really wanted a place where they could assimilate into fin de siecle European mores in peace, this is not what drove the vast majority of those who came here and stayed.
I won’t really address the speculation that a significant chunk of the online white nationalist discourse is driven by Israel, except to note the total hummus hamhandedness of Israel’s visible PR efforts: slutty IDF girls twerking at the camera, AI-generated slop of Marvel supervillains crying at the pure evil of Hamas’ actions and other hasbara trash. These people are as far removed from the sophistication you attribute to them as the Jews of 1935 Germany from their portrayal in Der Sturmer in the famous joke.
Finally, I will note that your closing really begs the question: “it’s enough to want to survive”-but in the godless world of the hedonist, who really wants to survive? For what? You see secular hedonists from America to Hungary to East Asia, and they all have one thing in common: no kids. This is how the Greeks and Romans ended up, too: see Barton and Burckhardt’s portrayals. “And a lot of poison at last, for a pleasant death.”
who?
I cannot help but feel as if BAP's entire aura as a human being is based on being a paternal mischling. There is just a deep seated anger bleeding from the letters of this piece. Self-Hating Jews have been a bane to human existence. This vitality darwinian conquest nonsense is just metaphysically bad.
Achi you can just do an orthodox conversion, or just move to Tel Aviv and identify as Jewish. It's not too late to desist from this evil.
Self hated jews but then you don't recognize him as Jewish? Which one cohan? Religious larp about elohim is not what bap look for. His blood is European not middle Eastern ( as with most askenazis that created your state)
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You say "a broader acceptance of white nationalist principles in the West would be to Israel’s advantage". I'm not so sure. An acceptance of white nationalist principles would mean that the West was free to interrogate and question its own history. Inevitably facts would come to light which were highly prejudicial to the Jews. After this, it would be hard to see much acceptance of Jews within Western nations and it would be hard to see why the West would continue to provide financial and military support to Israel.
And I think Jews tend to be hyper-aware of this. They know the Jewish mindset; they know that Jews have probably secretly done all kinds of shenanigans, even if they don't know the details. And they probably have a highly exaggerated idea of what the response of white Westerners would be towards the Jews once they found these things out. (I.e. they believe we would genocide them, probably in an extremely imaginative and improbable way).
Israel is a part of European civilization like it or not. One extension of the Anglo colonial project like Australia
For a moment I was concerned that the Jewish Zionist Alex Karp having access to spy on the American right wing was a problem, especially after he personally took credit for dismantling the far right in Europe. Now that the Romanian Jew BAP has explained how Israel is actually metaphysically European and more spiritually aligned with Caesar rather than Christianity, I’m much more comfortable ignoring Israel completely and instead focusing on squabbling with the homeless brown people that Jews are letting into the country.
One thing we can say about bap that you cannot say about fellow "pro white" Mexicans in America like fuentes is that he is genuinely European and White. You can hate the jews and still be objective. Zionism came from European colonialism. There is a reason White south africans were BFF with Israelis. It was a common alliance against the invasive brown black alliance. I assume the reason you don't hate the brown invaders is because you may share their genetics
Romanian shtetl refugee = Aryan Christian? Lol found the jew. Israel is a refugee colony for the inbreds that Hitler missed. I don’t hate any group of people because I’m not jewish like you and Costin, but if the browns want to reenact Kristallnacht on hang gliders I’m not exactly stifling my laughter either.
To the extent that Israel is a colonial project I have always felt great kinship with it. This was easier when their military were equipped with Cents, Mirages and SLRs just like South Africa and Australia. Howeverto the extent that they are a genuine Levant nation I have found them utterly alien. Ironically Israel vehemently denies the former but embraces the latter.
But, on your last point, can Based cults still be helpful for coordinating private life even if they are ineffective as a system of government?
Might not Spiritualism of the Evolian kind, developed in hushed but excited voices behind closed doors as an alternative to a bland and unenticing culture, be useful as a means of vetting newcomers, guiding individual self development and galvanising us in favour of long and hard works to come?
Your podcast often feels well inclined to such things!
After a lifetime of disappointments the instinct of self preservation that you mention as primarily needed (directed personally and towards Western Civilisation) is not something so easily taken for granted to exist amongst many of us today.
Why do the dysgenic Israeli Settlers look like non-dysgenic Whites?
False advertise much?
Fuck the jews. They deserve whatever they cannot avoid.
Lies and bollocks.
Theocracy success in geopolitics = emaciated long-distance runner playing American football
It is no coincidence that this piece cites precisely zero historical sources.
Adolf Eichmann wasn’t fluent in Hebrew. Unlikely that he knew more than just a few words.
Ya'll might find this interesting. Freda Utley was very honest about everything going on in the Middle East.
There are many parallels here, to what BAP has written.
Keep in mind this is from 1956.
https://fredautley.com/wmeisraelourproblem/