Allow me to make the unpopular case for preventing Iran from going nuclear.
Your point about Iran being a rational actor which probably doesn't want to self-immolate by engaging in an apocalyptic exchange is valid, however, any country gaining nuclear weapons increases the chance of a bomb going off, accidentally or intentionally.
We have had multiple close calls during the cold war, as you presumably know.
The chances are particularly increased, when the nations with nuclear weapons are in a tense stand-off, always being at the ready to launch in case the other side does.
Also, I think it's quite reasonable to fear more a nuclear armed regime if its infrastructure is rickety, and it's leaders rather erratic and zealous even if not suicidal.
A nuclear armed Iran would also put pressure on it's other rivals beside Israel to develop it's own nukes, to prevent being pressured by Iran. Saudi-Arabia and Turkey may be tempted to pursue their own nukes, especially if the US withdraws from the region.
Israel is a very small country so obviously a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to them. Add to the problem of Israeli's lack of strategic depth the strong Jewish diaspora and even one blast would likely end the state, though not the nation, of Israel. Seems perfectly logical to me that the Israelis will never allow a nuclear Iran.
The problem for the Israelis is for the US a nuclear Iran is very far down the list of threats. Even Iran with ICBMs aimed at major US cities would still only be maybe the 3rd biggest threat to the country. Immigration and the Democratic party are far more dangerous than any foreign adversary, and have to be dealt with first before we think about foreign adventures.
If the Israelis want the help of the US then they should urge their powerful diaspora to help destroy the Democrats and speed up deportations. I know Israel has advanced bio-tech, maybe they could help by cloning Stephen Miller to create an army of zealot ICE agents? Something for Bibi to think about.
The Israelis will never allow a nuclear Iran? And what will they do? Have the Sayeret Matkal drill 100 meters into granite to reach the bunkers? Would Israeli nukes even collapse the bunkers?
Ashekanzim have 2.2x higher rate of genetically inherited disease than Pakistani population. 1/3 are born with a disability. Talk about that high Ashekanzim IQ that votes blue 92% of the time. Your telling me people born with genetic disease 1/3 of the time have the politics of black single moms?
Trump doesn’t want the mess of the Mideast or any country but America, his focus is on rebuilding America. He however does want to close this last major bleeding sore, more for his Arab investors in building in America than Israel, or some lobby that not so secretly despises him -
I mean BTW the GOP. Which may not be likely to pass his Big Beautiful Bribe to Congress if they don’t get satisfaction for their donors. Speaking of US constituents, the people named Ackmann and Horowitz, as in Andreessen seem to have recently become fond of Trump, and alarmed over Israel.
Frankly given Iran’s recent actions in the neighborhood with its proxies a final closing of the Iranian account is in order. North Korea can keep its nukes because North Korea isn’t an expansionist, adventurous power using various hirelings to expand Juche over Asia.
Iran despite the irrational overreach IS. Or was.
With regard to Israel You’re ignoring the last 4 decades of Iranian policy, and the last decade of supporting HAMAS, the Houthis and being the Founding Partner of Hizbollah. Respectively Palestine, Yemen and Lebanon, countries Iran also has no borders with… nor is there a historical record of animus between Persia and Israel, quite the opposite.
Israel is being completely rational. Iran wasn’t.
But you know all that.
It just seems to not be in the context of this article, which is discussing tenured gerontocrats, a subject never out of view in Academe’s Groves.
Perhaps the world doesn’t match the campus.
On the subject of the American identity, we never lost our identity, the faculty room where some people’s concept of American identity seems to have formed left us, for a Global Chimera.
The closing of the 20th century romantic period may come in Iran, or Kiev, but it comes now for the Ivies, who’ve picked the wrong side. They forgot what country they lived in, how could the Haunts of Rawls communicate an American identity they threw away decades ago?
But we never forgot.
Do consider a road trip, as John Bagot Glubb noted in his travels- “America is a vast land full of many mysteries.”
I don’t have Trust nor care about any plan but rebuilding America, really.
I would be disappointed if we had kept the same old alliances with the rent paid in Treasuries we pay $1.2T annual interest on , instead Trump has them paying by building factories and investing in America. It turn out we were fighting for factories, as a Vet from the Rust Belt THAT validates sacrifice.
If to get these investments we have to make the Gulf Arabs happy by ending Iranian mischief… the Gulf Arabs being the real $ Mideast lobby … that’s better than before. Of course the Israelis get the blame (from people who dislike their own Jews).
Well being liked isn’t important. Survival and prosperity are important.
Fuck off shill, Trump explicitly told the Israelis that they will start winning again because they will have the president again. He loves Israel and doesn't give a shit about some "Arab investors" compared to the billions from the Adelsons and their ilk.
The only reason to care about if Iran has nukes is if you're a Jew yourself, so you've pretty handily exposed yourself.
first thing I've read from you, was entertaining, pleasantly surprised with the isolationist ideology as well, from what I read on Twitter (where you've had me blocked for years) I was expecting naked shilling for Israel
What folly, then, to consider yourself too principled to conquer the world. Be gone from my sight, you pathetic and disgusting creature. You who would reject the mantle of imperium, the opportunity that our forefathers bled for, we shall tread upon you, for that is what you display as having desired with your actions, or perhaps more appropriately, your inactions.
I’m astounded how many commenters here evidently uncritically accept Israel’s propaganda about Iran “going nuclear” and thereby being an “existential threat.” Sounds like the Republicans in 2014. What’s next, Trump must be “Churchillian” and not “appease” the Ayatollah, “the next Hitler”? Iran hasn’t had a nuclear-weapons program for decades, and its allies (states and non-state proxies) have either abandoned it or been destroyed. Even if the remnants of the Iranian theocracy were clinging to a nuke in their mountain fastness, what could they possibly do with such a weapon in their condition? Iran is like a raccoon which was nearly mauled to death by a dog after scratching its nose, but which managed to escape and has now been “treed” by that dog. Israel is like that dog if it whined to its master to kill the dying raccoon by burning down the tree.
If it’s really how you say then maybe they should figure it out. We are the strong and we shall tread where we may. They should learn to respect that. You are having your thinking done for you by hippies who could never touch their toes. Stand in the sun and embrace your destiny, son of empire.
This whole blowup could have easily been avoided if Drumpf simply denoonced Bibi as a loser (who refused to back him in 2020), Israel would have snap elections resulting in literally anyone else in charge. The IDF generals & Mossad chiefs were unanimously against this dumb adventure.
My issue is this: Russia has been in demographic decline for decades. Old people abound there too. One good argument for staying the hell away from the current war in Ukraine that I have always understood and empathized with is “if the West goes too far we are risking WWIII.” I always doubted that Putin would ever do anything like that (he is a rational actor too - although I’m sure there are hard liners queued up behind him - it seems we are all plagued with hard liners…) but the risk, however remote, is always there. Why would we want that same situation with a state like Iran? It has been, since 1979, infinitely more aggressive (through proxies, but still) in its foreign policy than Russia has been since the demise of the USSR. For that matter, even the nuclear-armed state of N. Korea is not that much of a concern given its extreme isolationism. Iran may be sclerotic but it is not, nor ever has been, isolationist. If you thought N. Korea having a nuclear temper tantrum every so often because Rocket Man is running low on his single malts was bad, strap in for the fun that will be had when the world gets to dance to the soothing strains of the Shia Bomb. Again, they don’t have to ever actually use it…but their great power pretensions will certainly embolden them and all their lovely and mostly peaceful proxies make no mistake. Already the Houthis have their finger on the flow of global trade and oil and that’s without being backed by a nuclear power. (I want to remind everyone that the Iranians even attacked Mecca at one point.)
Neither Iran nor Israel is senile or sclerotic. The average age of Israelis is about 29, that of Iran about 34. Both are much younger than the US. Anyone who thinks Iran lacks vigorous young people needs to spend more time watching videos of Iranian protests.
Good point. You gotta remember we’re reading the coked out ramblings of a Romanian who’s convinced himself he’s western. He’s all like “ok guys, Americans, here’s what WE should do” like bro you’re not on the team
Yeah so maybe we should try and prevent Iran from getting a nuke. If nukes are so terrible that Israel could bully us around with theirs, then why would we want another unstable regime to
Have them? If one of the two regimes has to go, why not side with the easy to overthrow regime that doesn’t have nukes? Your worldview is obviously wrong but even within your flawed perception, it’s an obvious choice
You have the worldview of a teenaged dork who just discovered how to run early life checks. Cool, now what? Oh? Nothing? I thought so. Get with the program chud, there is no good and evil, there is only power
Niggas see “Israel” and their brains turn off, there is a path forward that benefits America and Israel and frankly everyone that isn’t Iran, and thank God that we’re on it
Yeah kawalski run the numbers for what happens when the global LNG supply falls under ayatollah control. Did you forget we basically just got paid trillions by the saudis and friends to have a reason to care about their sovereignty?
Yes, just let them block the Straits of Hormuz and sink tankers. Look, you want to advance the idea of disassembling modern technological civilization, that’s fine with me, I would be in favor of that. But you’re going to have to come up with a plan.
Allow me to make the unpopular case for preventing Iran from going nuclear.
Your point about Iran being a rational actor which probably doesn't want to self-immolate by engaging in an apocalyptic exchange is valid, however, any country gaining nuclear weapons increases the chance of a bomb going off, accidentally or intentionally.
We have had multiple close calls during the cold war, as you presumably know.
The chances are particularly increased, when the nations with nuclear weapons are in a tense stand-off, always being at the ready to launch in case the other side does.
Also, I think it's quite reasonable to fear more a nuclear armed regime if its infrastructure is rickety, and it's leaders rather erratic and zealous even if not suicidal.
A nuclear armed Iran would also put pressure on it's other rivals beside Israel to develop it's own nukes, to prevent being pressured by Iran. Saudi-Arabia and Turkey may be tempted to pursue their own nukes, especially if the US withdraws from the region.
Israel is a very small country so obviously a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to them. Add to the problem of Israeli's lack of strategic depth the strong Jewish diaspora and even one blast would likely end the state, though not the nation, of Israel. Seems perfectly logical to me that the Israelis will never allow a nuclear Iran.
The problem for the Israelis is for the US a nuclear Iran is very far down the list of threats. Even Iran with ICBMs aimed at major US cities would still only be maybe the 3rd biggest threat to the country. Immigration and the Democratic party are far more dangerous than any foreign adversary, and have to be dealt with first before we think about foreign adventures.
If the Israelis want the help of the US then they should urge their powerful diaspora to help destroy the Democrats and speed up deportations. I know Israel has advanced bio-tech, maybe they could help by cloning Stephen Miller to create an army of zealot ICE agents? Something for Bibi to think about.
The Israelis will never allow a nuclear Iran? And what will they do? Have the Sayeret Matkal drill 100 meters into granite to reach the bunkers? Would Israeli nukes even collapse the bunkers?
"leaders rather erratic and zealous"
This describes Israel and America as well, perhaps more so.
No, definitely not more so.
But that is an argument against those countries having nukes, not for allowing Iran to also acquire them.
Allowing? You talk like a father chastizing an unruly child. Who is going to de-nuke a nuclear power?
obsessing over nuclear proliferation reeks of safetyism.
Pakistan/India: acknowledged by everyone to be the most likely hotspot for a nuclear exchange to actually take place.
Ashekanzim have 2.2x higher rate of genetically inherited disease than Pakistani population. 1/3 are born with a disability. Talk about that high Ashekanzim IQ that votes blue 92% of the time. Your telling me people born with genetic disease 1/3 of the time have the politics of black single moms?
Trump doesn’t want the mess of the Mideast or any country but America, his focus is on rebuilding America. He however does want to close this last major bleeding sore, more for his Arab investors in building in America than Israel, or some lobby that not so secretly despises him -
I mean BTW the GOP. Which may not be likely to pass his Big Beautiful Bribe to Congress if they don’t get satisfaction for their donors. Speaking of US constituents, the people named Ackmann and Horowitz, as in Andreessen seem to have recently become fond of Trump, and alarmed over Israel.
Frankly given Iran’s recent actions in the neighborhood with its proxies a final closing of the Iranian account is in order. North Korea can keep its nukes because North Korea isn’t an expansionist, adventurous power using various hirelings to expand Juche over Asia.
Iran despite the irrational overreach IS. Or was.
With regard to Israel You’re ignoring the last 4 decades of Iranian policy, and the last decade of supporting HAMAS, the Houthis and being the Founding Partner of Hizbollah. Respectively Palestine, Yemen and Lebanon, countries Iran also has no borders with… nor is there a historical record of animus between Persia and Israel, quite the opposite.
Israel is being completely rational. Iran wasn’t.
But you know all that.
It just seems to not be in the context of this article, which is discussing tenured gerontocrats, a subject never out of view in Academe’s Groves.
Perhaps the world doesn’t match the campus.
On the subject of the American identity, we never lost our identity, the faculty room where some people’s concept of American identity seems to have formed left us, for a Global Chimera.
The closing of the 20th century romantic period may come in Iran, or Kiev, but it comes now for the Ivies, who’ve picked the wrong side. They forgot what country they lived in, how could the Haunts of Rawls communicate an American identity they threw away decades ago?
But we never forgot.
Do consider a road trip, as John Bagot Glubb noted in his travels- “America is a vast land full of many mysteries.”
Less mysterious for we Americans.
Do come and discover us.
The American Revolution never ends.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxj0GMFfywNzamLDLSNfsSIWRiLCQyMUN9?si=s2FAWFyrxHNf4V0u
Good take, the memory of these people is so short. Trust the plan.
I don’t have Trust nor care about any plan but rebuilding America, really.
I would be disappointed if we had kept the same old alliances with the rent paid in Treasuries we pay $1.2T annual interest on , instead Trump has them paying by building factories and investing in America. It turn out we were fighting for factories, as a Vet from the Rust Belt THAT validates sacrifice.
If to get these investments we have to make the Gulf Arabs happy by ending Iranian mischief… the Gulf Arabs being the real $ Mideast lobby … that’s better than before. Of course the Israelis get the blame (from people who dislike their own Jews).
Well being liked isn’t important. Survival and prosperity are important.
Fuck off shill, Trump explicitly told the Israelis that they will start winning again because they will have the president again. He loves Israel and doesn't give a shit about some "Arab investors" compared to the billions from the Adelsons and their ilk.
The only reason to care about if Iran has nukes is if you're a Jew yourself, so you've pretty handily exposed yourself.
Why thank you, I’m pushing 60 and never knew I was Joosiszh.
Do I got a discount somewhere?
first thing I've read from you, was entertaining, pleasantly surprised with the isolationist ideology as well, from what I read on Twitter (where you've had me blocked for years) I was expecting naked shilling for Israel
will check out BAM
Stfu you kiss ass. We all remember you posting dox information mere months ago.
episode 50 of Caribbean Rhythms “Heraclitus Man of Power” maybe you listen to that first before you read Bronze Age mindset Chris
Isolationism is a symptom of people not of a logistician’s mind concerning themselves with the ordering of everything.
What folly, then, to consider yourself too principled to conquer the world. Be gone from my sight, you pathetic and disgusting creature. You who would reject the mantle of imperium, the opportunity that our forefathers bled for, we shall tread upon you, for that is what you display as having desired with your actions, or perhaps more appropriately, your inactions.
I’m astounded how many commenters here evidently uncritically accept Israel’s propaganda about Iran “going nuclear” and thereby being an “existential threat.” Sounds like the Republicans in 2014. What’s next, Trump must be “Churchillian” and not “appease” the Ayatollah, “the next Hitler”? Iran hasn’t had a nuclear-weapons program for decades, and its allies (states and non-state proxies) have either abandoned it or been destroyed. Even if the remnants of the Iranian theocracy were clinging to a nuke in their mountain fastness, what could they possibly do with such a weapon in their condition? Iran is like a raccoon which was nearly mauled to death by a dog after scratching its nose, but which managed to escape and has now been “treed” by that dog. Israel is like that dog if it whined to its master to kill the dying raccoon by burning down the tree.
If it’s really how you say then maybe they should figure it out. We are the strong and we shall tread where we may. They should learn to respect that. You are having your thinking done for you by hippies who could never touch their toes. Stand in the sun and embrace your destiny, son of empire.
ayo how do I play the audio i'm too high for dis shit rn up all night watchin them niggas bombin
Couldn't have titled this article any better imo
BAP you need to keep articles behind paywall to keep retards out pls thnk u, mayb increase fee
It ends the war and becomes a friend or it gets the tungsten powder again. (Frend)
A bunch of 70 year old men are going to start a war for 20 year olds to fight, aren’t they?
good to see the kosher grifters have made their way to this platform
honestly BAP needs to put his article behind the paywall to keep the retards out.
This whole blowup could have easily been avoided if Drumpf simply denoonced Bibi as a loser (who refused to back him in 2020), Israel would have snap elections resulting in literally anyone else in charge. The IDF generals & Mossad chiefs were unanimously against this dumb adventure.
>The IDF generals & Mossad chiefs were unanimously against this dumb adventure
Why do you think that?
Nope.
My issue is this: Russia has been in demographic decline for decades. Old people abound there too. One good argument for staying the hell away from the current war in Ukraine that I have always understood and empathized with is “if the West goes too far we are risking WWIII.” I always doubted that Putin would ever do anything like that (he is a rational actor too - although I’m sure there are hard liners queued up behind him - it seems we are all plagued with hard liners…) but the risk, however remote, is always there. Why would we want that same situation with a state like Iran? It has been, since 1979, infinitely more aggressive (through proxies, but still) in its foreign policy than Russia has been since the demise of the USSR. For that matter, even the nuclear-armed state of N. Korea is not that much of a concern given its extreme isolationism. Iran may be sclerotic but it is not, nor ever has been, isolationist. If you thought N. Korea having a nuclear temper tantrum every so often because Rocket Man is running low on his single malts was bad, strap in for the fun that will be had when the world gets to dance to the soothing strains of the Shia Bomb. Again, they don’t have to ever actually use it…but their great power pretensions will certainly embolden them and all their lovely and mostly peaceful proxies make no mistake. Already the Houthis have their finger on the flow of global trade and oil and that’s without being backed by a nuclear power. (I want to remind everyone that the Iranians even attacked Mecca at one point.)
Neither Iran nor Israel is senile or sclerotic. The average age of Israelis is about 29, that of Iran about 34. Both are much younger than the US. Anyone who thinks Iran lacks vigorous young people needs to spend more time watching videos of Iranian protests.
Good point. You gotta remember we’re reading the coked out ramblings of a Romanian who’s convinced himself he’s western. He’s all like “ok guys, Americans, here’s what WE should do” like bro you’re not on the team
If Iran gets nuclear weapons two things will happen.
1) Israel will no longer be able to bully its Arab neighbors
2) Israel will nuke the U.S. in a false flag attempt trying to make it look like Iran attacked us
Yeah so maybe we should try and prevent Iran from getting a nuke. If nukes are so terrible that Israel could bully us around with theirs, then why would we want another unstable regime to
Have them? If one of the two regimes has to go, why not side with the easy to overthrow regime that doesn’t have nukes? Your worldview is obviously wrong but even within your flawed perception, it’s an obvious choice
How is my worldview wrong?
You are attacking a strawman.
Israel doesn't bully us with its nukes, they blackmail our politicians. Israel bullies its neighbors there in the Middle East.
We, the U.S.A., have no business being over there fighting in their wars.
“Bro I’m smart, I promise, I’m just ignoring your main point to address a perceived misunderstanding”
What the fuck are you talking about? We have no business being in the Middle East is the main point. Israel is a bad guy is the main point.
Next time I'll type slower so you can follow along
You have the worldview of a teenaged dork who just discovered how to run early life checks. Cool, now what? Oh? Nothing? I thought so. Get with the program chud, there is no good and evil, there is only power
Wrong, you faggot. Good and evil both exist. Go tip your fedora somewhere else
Niggas see “Israel” and their brains turn off, there is a path forward that benefits America and Israel and frankly everyone that isn’t Iran, and thank God that we’re on it
Yeah kawalski run the numbers for what happens when the global LNG supply falls under ayatollah control. Did you forget we basically just got paid trillions by the saudis and friends to have a reason to care about their sovereignty?
Is Iran threatening to invade Saudi Arabia? I seemed to have missed that memo.
The Iranians have the ability to shut down the straight of Hormuz. They've had that capability for quite a while now yet the ships still sail.
And how does any of that mean we should blindly follow Israel into war?
Yes, just let them block the Straits of Hormuz and sink tankers. Look, you want to advance the idea of disassembling modern technological civilization, that’s fine with me, I would be in favor of that. But you’re going to have to come up with a plan.