I’m reminded when Sam Hyde was asked about Israel-Gaza and his response was something like “it’s not your problem, for once it is not your problem, I’ve got a Hot Pocket in the microwave” 😂
My go-to line when this has come up over the past year has been “you can’t make me have an opinion on Israel.” Usually good for 80% or so of the group to have a thankful laugh and move the conversation along to less annoying subjects. My impression is also of widespread apathy from the middle of the electorate and dwelling on it from any perspective other than the noninterventionist one — which probably isn’t happening anytime soon — can probably only hurt the right.
I don’t think taking out Iran’s nukes by air was “a symbolic disrespect to Trump’s original supporters.” (Even decapitating the regime, which might happen shortly, would be okay.) Trump is America First, and Iran is a sworn and dangerous enemy of the US. They’re a major supporter of terror against us. We’re the “Great Satan,” remember? The fact that the nuke strike also helped Israel was not a cause, but more of a bonus.
Same with Maduro. Venezuela was a hub for anti-American influence: China, Antifa, and lots more. It was a major lifeline for Cuba, the Western hemisphere hub of anti-Americanism since Castro.
MAGA does not want to get into lengthy wars, boots on the ground, or fruitless democracy-building exercises like Iraq or Afghanistan. MAGA is fine with surgical actions that take out major foreign enemies.
A lot of people see the shock and awe and forget thus far we’ve gone home immediately after. There is obviously the chance we fuck up and it turns into a morass, but credit to Trump it hasn’t happened yet.
If Hazony is opposed to the West, I really fear what happens after Bibi. Seems like the Israeli right will go in for Ben Gvir or similar chest-thumping Mizrahism. Anyway, good articool, I hope it's not too late to land with the Tucker Carlsons of the world who have blundered hardest over this stuff.
To play devil's advocate, the strongest current barrier to American and Western withdrawal from the Middle East is the Zionist lobby. By contrast, the pro-Palestine people (who I agree are very cringe and potentially dangerous) have close to 0 institutionalized power or control over the levers of government, and (for now) have a stronger anti-interventionist streak. They are also more popular than the Zionists with Zoomers. Overall, it seems more productive to attack Zionism, Israel, and Philosemitism than to attack the pro-Palestine crowd. But I don't know, i humble genetix sperg.
If you care for severe criticism that's coupled with complete agreement on your ultimate conclusion and solution, here it is.
The only winning stance on this issue for US and European rightists is complete disengagement, like you say here.
For context, I'm an Israeli ‘Jew’, that's not Ashkenazi/Mizrahi/Sephardi, yet… completely white. Ideologically I'm completely secular, anti religious, "far right" like you. which is to say that it's the most Insider but still "outsider" perspective with no axe to grind or chip on shoulder that people can hope to get on this issue. (see Israel demographics if interested). I don't care at all for "Jews", Jews, Zionism, or any of this fake 19th and 20th century delusions, and I'm certain Israel will completely collapse in 20-40 years.
Israel-Zionism is a ridiculous project, as any sane person who looks at a map can infer. That of course might not have been true if the Ashkenazis you seem to politically praise had any will to real political power-- versus will to be commissars under the command of people(Anglos) who actually want to rule and know what that means(which is why the influence and number of Jews in the top ranks of the Soviet regime quickly fizzled out). By that I mean that they can, in theory(but NEVER will), establish some version of the Seleucid Empire. But anyone who actually knows these people knows this will never happen.
While your history of Israel of before 1945 is completely accurate, your analysis of the political nature of Israel and of it's society is very wrong. The simple truth is that the Ashkenazim always were, since 1945 and up to now, the same as the European Leftists who run almost all European governments. These are the same people who are responsible for turning South Africa into what it is today. The only difference is the circumstances, which are very different, and which cause many to completely misunderstand Israel. Unlike Europe or SA, which have NO external security concerns whatsoever(only internal-migrants), Israel does and always did. That is the only reason it appears "National Socialist". To call it NS is the same as claiming that the US is National Socialist because it fought and conquered the world in WW2 -- installing world wide Leftism-communism. Just because governments act militarily it doesn't make them nationalist, right wing, or ethno-whatever in any way.
In fact, if you actually looked at the actions of the ruling Ashkenazim, especially from 1945 to 1970, you will see blatant and radical anti nationalism and basically treasonous throughout-- regarding most policy aspects and especially the wars that it "won". They basically have always done the absolute minimum to survive, and all of the territorial expansions were basically imposed on them by lucky circumstances(I know it's hard to believe).
Now, basically the only major policy that is nationalist is the importation of Jews(votes) from across the world, including basically at least 500,000 non-jewish(not at all) Russians-Ukrainians in the 1990's. This is definitely nationalist. But this is also a very small part of political reality, especially as it will unfold in the coming 20-30 years.
Despite of this nationalist policy, other interesting policies have existed since 1945, among them is the extensive and expansive welfare funding that has enabled and encouraged the high fertility of the Arabs in Israel. In addition to that, contrary to all the propaganda about genocide of the palestinians, and contrary also to your claims in this article of some kind right-wing successful policy of the Israeli right regarding the Palestinians, before or after october 7th, the reality is that partly supported materially and financially by Israel the Palestinian population multiplied itself several times over since 1967. So I'm sorry to tell you, but this is not the policy you want the US and Europe to emulate in dealing with Third and Second World inflows of migrants. Because there nothing "national socialist" about Israel's policy regarding the Palestinians, unless by "National Socialists" you just mean 'not yet complete South African suicidal policy'.
My main criticism of some the views and ideas your are presenting in this article and elsewhere, as well as criticism of other Rightists, is that you are unfortunately projecting what you would like the Europeans and maybe even the leftists in US to do. You are mistakenly hoping that despite the exterminationist actions of White Leftists across the world there maybe still hope that they will not finish the Leftist project-- which is the extermination of hundreds of millions of White people. You are mistakenly seeing in Israel some kind of resistance to suicidal leftism. But alas, this is not the case. Israel is just as much of a leftist hellhole as Europe and the US and will almost certainly fall in 20-40 from now.
By everything I've said here about the Ashkenazim I didn't mean to imply for a second that anyone other than them is fit to rule Israel. Though, it's important that you understand that while you can laugh all you want about Ben Gvir the brown, but almost all of the people actually running, not just the Likud, but also Ben Gvir's party and other Religious governing partie, are ALSO Ashkenazism -- they're just Religious Ashkenazim, which number in the hundreds of thousands. Obviously their practicing of their religion distorts and diminishes from their natural talents, which means that ultimately not much can come from them(see Iran), definitely not before Israel's immanent collapse(20-40 years).
Regarding your suggestions for the US to completely disengage from the region you're completely correct. I can expand if you like about other angels, both of attack, but also of understanding why all the Zionist lobby in the US, knowingly or not, doesn't actually support Israel if by support they mean ideas that might actually work, instead of fantasies. all the Zionist factions in the US basically just promote ideas that in practice don't help Israel and just at best distract from the existential problems of the US and at worst help the US Left.
Ladies and gentlemen, in Erik you have a specimen of the Israeli jew in all his glory. Being ex-Israeli, I was curious when he said that he was White while not being Ashkenazi. So I asked him an innocent question - “how can you be White without being Ashkenazi?”. And you see how he responded. Which goes to show that even the non-religious ones retain their ethnic supremacist complex. They are a train wreck.
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young men, some of them of high IQ, are forming what could be described as "mannerbund" (in fagtalk) and engaging in direct action to push their brown-ish enemies off the land is Israel (Yehuda and the Shomron.)
The ONLY place in the world where the white-ish natives, many of them of high IQ, are willing to fight their enemies in the ranks of an army, blow up their houses, hear the ululations of their women, is Israel (btw, there was quite a bit of close combat during the first phase of the war, but then Hamas understood that this generally only went one way and resorted to IEDs and the occasional small raid.)
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young people are having lots of babies and raising them to have lots of babies themselves is Israel.
Your response to this tremendous development is to ignore it and condemn Bari Weiss and Ben Shapiro, who just represent an alternative form of yeastlife to your gym-and-studio apartment-based "vitalism."
I have almost never read an article I agree 100% with. You have accomplished that. You touched on literally all of my objections to both the pro-Israel right and anti-israel right.
Very interesting article, I think you miss the central point of the discussion:
1) A lasting solution for the Palestinian cause would automatically pre-empt discussions/the reflex for"forever war" in the Middle East and would therefore make US military disengagement from the region much more possible and likely.
My position has been the Palestinian thing is bad because there is a possibility the United States gets pulled into another stupid middle eastern war because Israel is an American “ally”. The right should not give a shit about either people, but should be genuinely concerned about impacts to our own country caused by Israeli belligerence.
They are a loose cannon and a massive destabilizing force in the region. Its not just Iran at this point, the list of countries they’ve bombed in the last few years is approaching double digits. The whole Iran revolt reeks of mossad and if it had succeeded then the US would’ve been impacted by a shaken oil market. The economy is global and middle eastern instability comes back to burn us.
Jewish action creating real harm to our lives is what I argue to be the correct path forwards.
An esoteric reading: “the American postwar order’s carveout for Israel is real but limited. Thus the noble dream of Jabotinsky et al decayed into bearded Semites screaming in pee stained robes. If America turns away completely, Israel’s internal hard right can seize power finally. This could make Israel based and NS again, saving the country, and preventing its slow decline.* Otherwise, said decline culminates in Israelis migrating to the West.”
Could be reduced to a slogan like “ignore Israel to save Israel” -> “save israel because otherwise they’ll move here”
Critics could argue that a West capable of allowing Israel’s destruction would be equally capable of turning away their emigrants, but this is speculation—the campus left wouldn’t turn away Israelis as they don’t believe in borders, and there is no other meaningful faction here that would allow said destruction.
Excellent article as always
*and also be “the most antisemitic act ever conceived”?
Is that why you were retweeting lion of judah memes in October 2023? Because you don’t care? Or bringing down the hammer on anyone who’d call hamas bronze age? Such indifference…
I feel truly sorry for your lost-in-the-sauce followers. It’s called talking from both sides of your mouth. We all know you care. Drop the act
I’m reminded when Sam Hyde was asked about Israel-Gaza and his response was something like “it’s not your problem, for once it is not your problem, I’ve got a Hot Pocket in the microwave” 😂
nd the NJF interview? wb the chance encounter at the Mitzvah Bus? and 'antisemitism'? the wheat grain? semolina? still views on a topic never change
My go-to line when this has come up over the past year has been “you can’t make me have an opinion on Israel.” Usually good for 80% or so of the group to have a thankful laugh and move the conversation along to less annoying subjects. My impression is also of widespread apathy from the middle of the electorate and dwelling on it from any perspective other than the noninterventionist one — which probably isn’t happening anytime soon — can probably only hurt the right.
I don’t think taking out Iran’s nukes by air was “a symbolic disrespect to Trump’s original supporters.” (Even decapitating the regime, which might happen shortly, would be okay.) Trump is America First, and Iran is a sworn and dangerous enemy of the US. They’re a major supporter of terror against us. We’re the “Great Satan,” remember? The fact that the nuke strike also helped Israel was not a cause, but more of a bonus.
Same with Maduro. Venezuela was a hub for anti-American influence: China, Antifa, and lots more. It was a major lifeline for Cuba, the Western hemisphere hub of anti-Americanism since Castro.
MAGA does not want to get into lengthy wars, boots on the ground, or fruitless democracy-building exercises like Iraq or Afghanistan. MAGA is fine with surgical actions that take out major foreign enemies.
A lot of people see the shock and awe and forget thus far we’ve gone home immediately after. There is obviously the chance we fuck up and it turns into a morass, but credit to Trump it hasn’t happened yet.
If Hazony is opposed to the West, I really fear what happens after Bibi. Seems like the Israeli right will go in for Ben Gvir or similar chest-thumping Mizrahism. Anyway, good articool, I hope it's not too late to land with the Tucker Carlsons of the world who have blundered hardest over this stuff.
Ben Gvir...the Kurd....the Bureaucrat has funny posts on him.
Quite enjoyable and well-said.
“another Mediterranean hive of hairy greasers howling about their superstitions” lol
BAP really knows how to drive a point!
To play devil's advocate, the strongest current barrier to American and Western withdrawal from the Middle East is the Zionist lobby. By contrast, the pro-Palestine people (who I agree are very cringe and potentially dangerous) have close to 0 institutionalized power or control over the levers of government, and (for now) have a stronger anti-interventionist streak. They are also more popular than the Zionists with Zoomers. Overall, it seems more productive to attack Zionism, Israel, and Philosemitism than to attack the pro-Palestine crowd. But I don't know, i humble genetix sperg.
If you care for severe criticism that's coupled with complete agreement on your ultimate conclusion and solution, here it is.
The only winning stance on this issue for US and European rightists is complete disengagement, like you say here.
For context, I'm an Israeli ‘Jew’, that's not Ashkenazi/Mizrahi/Sephardi, yet… completely white. Ideologically I'm completely secular, anti religious, "far right" like you. which is to say that it's the most Insider but still "outsider" perspective with no axe to grind or chip on shoulder that people can hope to get on this issue. (see Israel demographics if interested). I don't care at all for "Jews", Jews, Zionism, or any of this fake 19th and 20th century delusions, and I'm certain Israel will completely collapse in 20-40 years.
Israel-Zionism is a ridiculous project, as any sane person who looks at a map can infer. That of course might not have been true if the Ashkenazis you seem to politically praise had any will to real political power-- versus will to be commissars under the command of people(Anglos) who actually want to rule and know what that means(which is why the influence and number of Jews in the top ranks of the Soviet regime quickly fizzled out). By that I mean that they can, in theory(but NEVER will), establish some version of the Seleucid Empire. But anyone who actually knows these people knows this will never happen.
While your history of Israel of before 1945 is completely accurate, your analysis of the political nature of Israel and of it's society is very wrong. The simple truth is that the Ashkenazim always were, since 1945 and up to now, the same as the European Leftists who run almost all European governments. These are the same people who are responsible for turning South Africa into what it is today. The only difference is the circumstances, which are very different, and which cause many to completely misunderstand Israel. Unlike Europe or SA, which have NO external security concerns whatsoever(only internal-migrants), Israel does and always did. That is the only reason it appears "National Socialist". To call it NS is the same as claiming that the US is National Socialist because it fought and conquered the world in WW2 -- installing world wide Leftism-communism. Just because governments act militarily it doesn't make them nationalist, right wing, or ethno-whatever in any way.
In fact, if you actually looked at the actions of the ruling Ashkenazim, especially from 1945 to 1970, you will see blatant and radical anti nationalism and basically treasonous throughout-- regarding most policy aspects and especially the wars that it "won". They basically have always done the absolute minimum to survive, and all of the territorial expansions were basically imposed on them by lucky circumstances(I know it's hard to believe).
Now, basically the only major policy that is nationalist is the importation of Jews(votes) from across the world, including basically at least 500,000 non-jewish(not at all) Russians-Ukrainians in the 1990's. This is definitely nationalist. But this is also a very small part of political reality, especially as it will unfold in the coming 20-30 years.
Despite of this nationalist policy, other interesting policies have existed since 1945, among them is the extensive and expansive welfare funding that has enabled and encouraged the high fertility of the Arabs in Israel. In addition to that, contrary to all the propaganda about genocide of the palestinians, and contrary also to your claims in this article of some kind right-wing successful policy of the Israeli right regarding the Palestinians, before or after october 7th, the reality is that partly supported materially and financially by Israel the Palestinian population multiplied itself several times over since 1967. So I'm sorry to tell you, but this is not the policy you want the US and Europe to emulate in dealing with Third and Second World inflows of migrants. Because there nothing "national socialist" about Israel's policy regarding the Palestinians, unless by "National Socialists" you just mean 'not yet complete South African suicidal policy'.
My main criticism of some the views and ideas your are presenting in this article and elsewhere, as well as criticism of other Rightists, is that you are unfortunately projecting what you would like the Europeans and maybe even the leftists in US to do. You are mistakenly hoping that despite the exterminationist actions of White Leftists across the world there maybe still hope that they will not finish the Leftist project-- which is the extermination of hundreds of millions of White people. You are mistakenly seeing in Israel some kind of resistance to suicidal leftism. But alas, this is not the case. Israel is just as much of a leftist hellhole as Europe and the US and will almost certainly fall in 20-40 from now.
By everything I've said here about the Ashkenazim I didn't mean to imply for a second that anyone other than them is fit to rule Israel. Though, it's important that you understand that while you can laugh all you want about Ben Gvir the brown, but almost all of the people actually running, not just the Likud, but also Ben Gvir's party and other Religious governing partie, are ALSO Ashkenazism -- they're just Religious Ashkenazim, which number in the hundreds of thousands. Obviously their practicing of their religion distorts and diminishes from their natural talents, which means that ultimately not much can come from them(see Iran), definitely not before Israel's immanent collapse(20-40 years).
Regarding your suggestions for the US to completely disengage from the region you're completely correct. I can expand if you like about other angels, both of attack, but also of understanding why all the Zionist lobby in the US, knowingly or not, doesn't actually support Israel if by support they mean ideas that might actually work, instead of fantasies. all the Zionist factions in the US basically just promote ideas that in practice don't help Israel and just at best distract from the existential problems of the US and at worst help the US Left.
מעניין. איך אתה לבן בלי להיות אשכנזי?
שאלתי שאלה כנה. וואו, ישראלי מכוער בכל הדרו. ואז עוד מתפלאים ששונאים אותנו. הזוי
Rats like you truly belong in a shithole
You pollute everything
Ladies and gentlemen, in Erik you have a specimen of the Israeli jew in all his glory. Being ex-Israeli, I was curious when he said that he was White while not being Ashkenazi. So I asked him an innocent question - “how can you be White without being Ashkenazi?”. And you see how he responded. Which goes to show that even the non-religious ones retain their ethnic supremacist complex. They are a train wreck.
You didn't comment at all about what I wrote, you're just making an ad hominem argument -- like bit*h . You are a woman. piss off.
מי זה אתם?
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young men, some of them of high IQ, are forming what could be described as "mannerbund" (in fagtalk) and engaging in direct action to push their brown-ish enemies off the land is Israel (Yehuda and the Shomron.)
The ONLY place in the world where the white-ish natives, many of them of high IQ, are willing to fight their enemies in the ranks of an army, blow up their houses, hear the ululations of their women, is Israel (btw, there was quite a bit of close combat during the first phase of the war, but then Hamas understood that this generally only went one way and resorted to IEDs and the occasional small raid.)
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young people are having lots of babies and raising them to have lots of babies themselves is Israel.
Your response to this tremendous development is to ignore it and condemn Bari Weiss and Ben Shapiro, who just represent an alternative form of yeastlife to your gym-and-studio apartment-based "vitalism."
Sad!
jews are not white, they are sand-negroes and generally hate White Christians with contempt
Okay Yahya lol
He’s not wrong on the second count
Quick question, did the Nazis turn your grandma into a lampshade too? Israelis themselves are dirty brown people, you are not and never will be white
I have almost never read an article I agree 100% with. You have accomplished that. You touched on literally all of my objections to both the pro-Israel right and anti-israel right.
Based!
Very interesting article, I think you miss the central point of the discussion:
1) A lasting solution for the Palestinian cause would automatically pre-empt discussions/the reflex for"forever war" in the Middle East and would therefore make US military disengagement from the region much more possible and likely.
Excellent article as usual BAP
My position has been the Palestinian thing is bad because there is a possibility the United States gets pulled into another stupid middle eastern war because Israel is an American “ally”. The right should not give a shit about either people, but should be genuinely concerned about impacts to our own country caused by Israeli belligerence.
They are a loose cannon and a massive destabilizing force in the region. Its not just Iran at this point, the list of countries they’ve bombed in the last few years is approaching double digits. The whole Iran revolt reeks of mossad and if it had succeeded then the US would’ve been impacted by a shaken oil market. The economy is global and middle eastern instability comes back to burn us.
Jewish action creating real harm to our lives is what I argue to be the correct path forwards.
An esoteric reading: “the American postwar order’s carveout for Israel is real but limited. Thus the noble dream of Jabotinsky et al decayed into bearded Semites screaming in pee stained robes. If America turns away completely, Israel’s internal hard right can seize power finally. This could make Israel based and NS again, saving the country, and preventing its slow decline.* Otherwise, said decline culminates in Israelis migrating to the West.”
Could be reduced to a slogan like “ignore Israel to save Israel” -> “save israel because otherwise they’ll move here”
Critics could argue that a West capable of allowing Israel’s destruction would be equally capable of turning away their emigrants, but this is speculation—the campus left wouldn’t turn away Israelis as they don’t believe in borders, and there is no other meaningful faction here that would allow said destruction.
Excellent article as always
*and also be “the most antisemitic act ever conceived”?
Is that why you were retweeting lion of judah memes in October 2023? Because you don’t care? Or bringing down the hammer on anyone who’d call hamas bronze age? Such indifference…
I feel truly sorry for your lost-in-the-sauce followers. It’s called talking from both sides of your mouth. We all know you care. Drop the act