I’m reminded when Sam Hyde was asked about Israel-Gaza and his response was something like “it’s not your problem, for once it is not your problem, I’ve got a Hot Pocket in the microwave” 😂
My go-to line when this has come up over the past year has been “you can’t make me have an opinion on Israel.” Usually good for 80% or so of the group to have a thankful laugh and move the conversation along to less annoying subjects. My impression is also of widespread apathy from the middle of the electorate and dwelling on it from any perspective other than the noninterventionist one — which probably isn’t happening anytime soon — can probably only hurt the right.
I don’t think taking out Iran’s nukes by air was “a symbolic disrespect to Trump’s original supporters.” (Even decapitating the regime, which might happen shortly, would be okay.) Trump is America First, and Iran is a sworn and dangerous enemy of the US. They’re a major supporter of terror against us. We’re the “Great Satan,” remember? The fact that the nuke strike also helped Israel was not a cause, but more of a bonus.
Same with Maduro. Venezuela was a hub for anti-American influence: China, Antifa, and lots more. It was a major lifeline for Cuba, the Western hemisphere hub of anti-Americanism since Castro.
MAGA does not want to get into lengthy wars, boots on the ground, or fruitless democracy-building exercises like Iraq or Afghanistan. MAGA is fine with surgical actions that take out major foreign enemies.
A lot of people see the shock and awe and forget thus far we’ve gone home immediately after. There is obviously the chance we fuck up and it turns into a morass, but credit to Trump it hasn’t happened yet.
I quoted a sentence from the middle, which should indicate that I did read it. I’ll admit I expected Iran to be settled by now, but it’s still just a matter of time. We are in an unassailable position, and the Iranian regime has run out of options and is worse off every day. Once they are out of power, the regime will have an economic boom, we’ll have little reason to be in the Middle East at all, and less reason to subsidize Israel. It’ll be a win/win all around for everyone except Shiite radicals.
If I were you I would have lied and claimed to not have truly read it. Because that you could have given it real thought and attention in its entirety and still have dropped such a steaming pile of diarrheal sludge into the reply section is an indictment of your character and likely intellect as well.
Here’s my argument: This war has been a disaster and anybody who wasn’t living in fantasy land could see the writing on the wall from day one. Because Trump was edging this kind of conflict before this term even began, and we all knew how it would turn out.
Then you provide a loss condition. You admit you’ll concede that this war is a fools errand and Trump has betrayed you if only this war becomes yet another forever war shitshow. And when confronted with this you maintain cognitive dissonance. You see no issue or contradiction because you are devoted to Trump as a religious figure. You are not “loyal” to him because loyalty is a two way street. You worship him like some god. Which is fine, enjoy that. But I will never let you forget what a retard you are for backing a lame horse who is now also a lame duck.
If Hazony is opposed to the West, I really fear what happens after Bibi. Seems like the Israeli right will go in for Ben Gvir or similar chest-thumping Mizrahism. Anyway, good articool, I hope it's not too late to land with the Tucker Carlsons of the world who have blundered hardest over this stuff.
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young men, some of them of high IQ, are forming what could be described as "mannerbund" (in fagtalk) and engaging in direct action to push their brown-ish enemies off the land is Israel (Yehuda and the Shomron.)
The ONLY place in the world where the white-ish natives, many of them of high IQ, are willing to fight their enemies in the ranks of an army, blow up their houses, hear the ululations of their women, is Israel (btw, there was quite a bit of close combat during the first phase of the war, but then Hamas understood that this generally only went one way and resorted to IEDs and the occasional small raid.)
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young people are having lots of babies and raising them to have lots of babies themselves is Israel.
Your response to this tremendous development is to ignore it and condemn Bari Weiss and Ben Shapiro, who just represent an alternative form of yeastlife to your gym-and-studio apartment-based "vitalism."
I have almost never read an article I agree 100% with. You have accomplished that. You touched on literally all of my objections to both the pro-Israel right and anti-israel right.
Is that why you were retweeting lion of judah memes in October 2023? Because you don’t care? Or bringing down the hammer on anyone who’d call hamas bronze age? Such indifference…
I feel truly sorry for your lost-in-the-sauce followers. It’s called talking from both sides of your mouth. We all know you care. Drop the act
Very interesting article, I think you miss the central point of the discussion:
1) A lasting solution for the Palestinian cause would automatically pre-empt discussions/the reflex for"forever war" in the Middle East and would therefore make US military disengagement from the region much more possible and likely.
My position has been the Palestinian thing is bad because there is a possibility the United States gets pulled into another stupid middle eastern war because Israel is an American “ally”. The right should not give a shit about either people, but should be genuinely concerned about impacts to our own country caused by Israeli belligerence.
They are a loose cannon and a massive destabilizing force in the region. Its not just Iran at this point, the list of countries they’ve bombed in the last few years is approaching double digits. The whole Iran revolt reeks of mossad and if it had succeeded then the US would’ve been impacted by a shaken oil market. The economy is global and middle eastern instability comes back to burn us.
Jewish action creating real harm to our lives is what I argue to be the correct path forwards.
An esoteric reading: “the American postwar order’s carveout for Israel is real but limited. Thus the noble dream of Jabotinsky et al decayed into bearded Semites screaming in pee stained robes. If America turns away completely, Israel’s internal hard right can seize power finally. This could make Israel based and NS again, saving the country, and preventing its slow decline.* Otherwise, said decline culminates in Israelis migrating to the West.”
Could be reduced to a slogan like “ignore Israel to save Israel” -> “save israel because otherwise they’ll move here”
Critics could argue that a West capable of allowing Israel’s destruction would be equally capable of turning away their emigrants, but this is speculation—the campus left wouldn’t turn away Israelis as they don’t believe in borders, and there is no other meaningful faction here that would allow said destruction.
Excellent article as always
*and also be “the most antisemitic act ever conceived”?
You’re still falling in the boomer trap of conflating anti-Israel with pro-Palestine. It is entirely consistent to advocate for American interests while recognizing that Israel is a massive detriment to same. I don’t care whether Israel is a shining example of ethno-nationalism or not—they aren’t us and they are pulling us down.
I’m reminded when Sam Hyde was asked about Israel-Gaza and his response was something like “it’s not your problem, for once it is not your problem, I’ve got a Hot Pocket in the microwave” 😂
nd the NJF interview? wb the chance encounter at the Mitzvah Bus? and 'antisemitism'? the wheat grain? semolina? still views on a topic never change
My go-to line when this has come up over the past year has been “you can’t make me have an opinion on Israel.” Usually good for 80% or so of the group to have a thankful laugh and move the conversation along to less annoying subjects. My impression is also of widespread apathy from the middle of the electorate and dwelling on it from any perspective other than the noninterventionist one — which probably isn’t happening anytime soon — can probably only hurt the right.
I don’t think taking out Iran’s nukes by air was “a symbolic disrespect to Trump’s original supporters.” (Even decapitating the regime, which might happen shortly, would be okay.) Trump is America First, and Iran is a sworn and dangerous enemy of the US. They’re a major supporter of terror against us. We’re the “Great Satan,” remember? The fact that the nuke strike also helped Israel was not a cause, but more of a bonus.
Same with Maduro. Venezuela was a hub for anti-American influence: China, Antifa, and lots more. It was a major lifeline for Cuba, the Western hemisphere hub of anti-Americanism since Castro.
MAGA does not want to get into lengthy wars, boots on the ground, or fruitless democracy-building exercises like Iraq or Afghanistan. MAGA is fine with surgical actions that take out major foreign enemies.
A lot of people see the shock and awe and forget thus far we’ve gone home immediately after. There is obviously the chance we fuck up and it turns into a morass, but credit to Trump it hasn’t happened yet.
Did you read the entire article or did you just skim it because you’re retarded if after actually consuming that the result of your digestion is this.
Also curious to know how you feel about the war in Iran. Do you still feel it to be surgical? I wonder if you have that reflective capacity.
I quoted a sentence from the middle, which should indicate that I did read it. I’ll admit I expected Iran to be settled by now, but it’s still just a matter of time. We are in an unassailable position, and the Iranian regime has run out of options and is worse off every day. Once they are out of power, the regime will have an economic boom, we’ll have little reason to be in the Middle East at all, and less reason to subsidize Israel. It’ll be a win/win all around for everyone except Shiite radicals.
If I were you I would have lied and claimed to not have truly read it. Because that you could have given it real thought and attention in its entirety and still have dropped such a steaming pile of diarrheal sludge into the reply section is an indictment of your character and likely intellect as well.
Are you this rude in real life, or just online? Try making an actual argument instead of personal attacks.
Here’s my argument: This war has been a disaster and anybody who wasn’t living in fantasy land could see the writing on the wall from day one. Because Trump was edging this kind of conflict before this term even began, and we all knew how it would turn out.
Then you provide a loss condition. You admit you’ll concede that this war is a fools errand and Trump has betrayed you if only this war becomes yet another forever war shitshow. And when confronted with this you maintain cognitive dissonance. You see no issue or contradiction because you are devoted to Trump as a religious figure. You are not “loyal” to him because loyalty is a two way street. You worship him like some god. Which is fine, enjoy that. But I will never let you forget what a retard you are for backing a lame horse who is now also a lame duck.
If Hazony is opposed to the West, I really fear what happens after Bibi. Seems like the Israeli right will go in for Ben Gvir or similar chest-thumping Mizrahism. Anyway, good articool, I hope it's not too late to land with the Tucker Carlsons of the world who have blundered hardest over this stuff.
Ben Gvir...the Kurd....the Bureaucrat has funny posts on him.
Quite enjoyable and well-said.
“another Mediterranean hive of hairy greasers howling about their superstitions” lol
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young men, some of them of high IQ, are forming what could be described as "mannerbund" (in fagtalk) and engaging in direct action to push their brown-ish enemies off the land is Israel (Yehuda and the Shomron.)
The ONLY place in the world where the white-ish natives, many of them of high IQ, are willing to fight their enemies in the ranks of an army, blow up their houses, hear the ululations of their women, is Israel (btw, there was quite a bit of close combat during the first phase of the war, but then Hamas understood that this generally only went one way and resorted to IEDs and the occasional small raid.)
The ONLY place in the world where white-ish young people are having lots of babies and raising them to have lots of babies themselves is Israel.
Your response to this tremendous development is to ignore it and condemn Bari Weiss and Ben Shapiro, who just represent an alternative form of yeastlife to your gym-and-studio apartment-based "vitalism."
Sad!
Quick question, did the Nazis turn your grandma into a lampshade too? Israelis themselves are dirty brown people, you are not and never will be white
Okay Yahya lol
He’s not wrong on the second count
I have almost never read an article I agree 100% with. You have accomplished that. You touched on literally all of my objections to both the pro-Israel right and anti-israel right.
Based!
Is that why you were retweeting lion of judah memes in October 2023? Because you don’t care? Or bringing down the hammer on anyone who’d call hamas bronze age? Such indifference…
I feel truly sorry for your lost-in-the-sauce followers. It’s called talking from both sides of your mouth. We all know you care. Drop the act
Very interesting article, I think you miss the central point of the discussion:
1) A lasting solution for the Palestinian cause would automatically pre-empt discussions/the reflex for"forever war" in the Middle East and would therefore make US military disengagement from the region much more possible and likely.
Excellent article as usual BAP
My position has been the Palestinian thing is bad because there is a possibility the United States gets pulled into another stupid middle eastern war because Israel is an American “ally”. The right should not give a shit about either people, but should be genuinely concerned about impacts to our own country caused by Israeli belligerence.
They are a loose cannon and a massive destabilizing force in the region. Its not just Iran at this point, the list of countries they’ve bombed in the last few years is approaching double digits. The whole Iran revolt reeks of mossad and if it had succeeded then the US would’ve been impacted by a shaken oil market. The economy is global and middle eastern instability comes back to burn us.
Jewish action creating real harm to our lives is what I argue to be the correct path forwards.
An esoteric reading: “the American postwar order’s carveout for Israel is real but limited. Thus the noble dream of Jabotinsky et al decayed into bearded Semites screaming in pee stained robes. If America turns away completely, Israel’s internal hard right can seize power finally. This could make Israel based and NS again, saving the country, and preventing its slow decline.* Otherwise, said decline culminates in Israelis migrating to the West.”
Could be reduced to a slogan like “ignore Israel to save Israel” -> “save israel because otherwise they’ll move here”
Critics could argue that a West capable of allowing Israel’s destruction would be equally capable of turning away their emigrants, but this is speculation—the campus left wouldn’t turn away Israelis as they don’t believe in borders, and there is no other meaningful faction here that would allow said destruction.
Excellent article as always
*and also be “the most antisemitic act ever conceived”?
You’re still falling in the boomer trap of conflating anti-Israel with pro-Palestine. It is entirely consistent to advocate for American interests while recognizing that Israel is a massive detriment to same. I don’t care whether Israel is a shining example of ethno-nationalism or not—they aren’t us and they are pulling us down.
Ah … that explains Ms Owen’s curious gap where she’s off the radar for a couple of years