What I want to read, and I may have to strain and risk nicotine over dose to write it myself, is an article on corporate life. Dreary office computer expert type jobs, not prestige media. I'm an older millennial, and have worked beset on all sides by Celestials, Hindustanis and other such witless and scheming "STEM brains". Someone needs to paint the picture of the unprecedented absurdity of 70 people on a Teams call pretending to understand an Indian consultant as he rattles off his platitudes and set phrases. We're talking about projects which five old school 1970s IBM guys could have wrapped in 6 weeks taking three years and 200k man hours to complete. Ridiculous broken English overlooked, bizarre code that spirals in to the solution instead of a tidy Saxon approach. Imagine nearly everyone you work with is Chinese or Indian, in America, at a well paying if unglamorous job. You signed up to be a computational septic man and now you have to work with these people, forever. It's not strictly discrimination, is a reworking of the labor market via the H1b visa. Path dependency means it's either a heroic career jump or go long BTC and Argentina until you can afford to flee.
Please write the article, you’ve already made a start with this comment. Also speaks to BAP’s point about discrimination being by the by, the focus should be on highlighting the total incompetence of the people who do have jobs both in ‘high status’ and unglamorous industries
I work in a lab, and about two years ago we hired someone who earned their science degree in India and had most work experience there (American work experience seemed to be for a company that I suspect only exists online). This scientist couldn't do anything except give excuses for why assignments weren't done, sometimes even making false statements about it. The Indian ended up quiting in less than a year, just as the boss asked human resources (HR) about the proper procedure for firing someone. The Indian scientist had escalated some petty matters to claims of harassment, so firing had to be done carefully.
Looking back, I wonder if the scientist planned to "fake it 'til you make it" or came in honestly thinking they could do the work. After they left, I was surprised at the number of stories that came out about their dishonesty in the workplace.
In any case, we changed several aspects of our hiring process after that.
You need to read my story ‘PROXY’. 2 part tale of my time as a contractor for the UK government. Absurd might be an understatement. I won’t say any more because I have exhausted myself telling the tale itself. I think you’ll know what I mean if you read it.
This captures something that no numbers can: the qualitative decline in life in America during this period. It's different for different people, stunted careers for some, NGO sinecures for others, but the main emotion of my millennial career is a feeling that everything has kind of faded to gray, or that I've arrived at the party a little too late. Gave up on sports in undergrad because the other guys on the team were to stuck on womanly in fighting and pettiness instead of mutual support. Got to a once innovative grad program, to find no elders interested in doing work as disruptive as they had done in the 80s, and generations and generations of grad students making smaller and smaller contributions. Music and creative projects fell into endless edits and second-guessing. You're right about creative projects, the movie and other industries should be booming now with wild, experimental work: and most people noticing the decline blame technologies, social media, culture, anything but the lack of will, no inner flame (and I also wonder why no impresario has emerged, willing to lose money on something truly wild). What's missing everywhere is something mystic, the quality without a name. Even unpleasant experiences are gone, nothing truly dangerous in urban life, no transgression, no boundaries to cross, just a curated, disney experience of everything.
They stole our futures. The correct response is not begging for more handouts, but rather the burning and rebuilding of the entire social and economic system.
Learned a new word: taqiyya. To our everlasting shame as a nation, we have imposed that despicable practice (known in German by a phrase meaning “inner emigration”) on an entire generation, and now a second generation, of American men.
We have a decision to make: do we get mad, or do we get even?
It’s obviously time to shake up this entire rotten system . . .
It's entered dissident parlance mostly through BAP and Yarvin, but scholars of the Middle East have long been aware of the practice, and have been eager to point out that it is not unique among Shi'ite Muslims of the Levant and Mesopotamia.
Taqiyya is a maladaptive survival mechanism. If you do it for long enough, the resulting cognitive dissonance is enough to trigger psychosis in even the healthiest individuals.
Yes, the Longhouse has been around for a long time, operating and insinuating itself in every industry and every organization, even those that were once primarily male dominated. Long before 2015, I was in law enforcement. The rural sheriff's department I worked for decided it needed more lady cops, I went through the police academy with several of these new hires. The most miserable group of gossipy harlots you will ever meet. One time, I was working with one of them when she was dispatched to a domestic call. I went there to back her up, since this was common procedure, but she was "primary" which meant she was supposed to be in charge of the scene and lead. When I arrived, both spouses were outside just screaming at each other, ignoring the deputy. The deputy herself had gone into "vapor lock" and was simply frozen on the spot. I had to take over as primary and give her specific commands while I took charge. When I told the shift commander about what happened, his response was "don't worry, this has happened before, we are putting her in the schools as a school resource deputy. No termination of employment or even a written reprimand. A man wouldn't have been so lucky. I thought to myself, God help us if there is a school shooter, at best, she will be killed while responding and at worst, we'll, I'll let you consider that. We've become okay with pure incompetence at every level of society. I'm glad at least I grew up in a society that still had standards unlike GenZ.
Fantastic point about grievance narratives being a strategic dead end. The shift from showcasing excellence to pure victimology after 2009 really did backfire for the left in ways people dunno fully appreciate yet. I've seen this play out in tech consulting where everyone focuses on demographic composition of medicore teams instead of the fact that the whole project should've taken 6 weeks not 3 years. The conformist company-man culture you describe pre-2010 is still the bigger problem becuase it filters out anyone with original ideas regardless of background.
“I think those who claim that stories of grievance and victimization were central to the leftist causes are somewhat misled on this point.”
This is myself. I’ve been confused about how the right should properly handle anti-whiteness without sounding/becoming like the lefty victimhood ideologies, which seems like it would lead to defeat in the long run anyway…
I stopped listening to Isaac Simpson’s podcast with Savage after he said his wife is a costume designer, after discussing “what went wrong with Hollywood?”
Thanks for the heads up. I went to the interview. Savage isn't white. He's probably middle eastern. So, the whole thing is a bit like Jews not wanting to be identified as being white. He may or may not be Jewish but he is not European.
Jewish men used to like being identified as white but because white men have become so weak they want to distance themselves these days.
I felt implicated in the remarks on making films. I’ve been thinking a lot about this a lot lately. With some exceptions, I don’t watch any films produced in the last 15 years, and others have pointed, my appetites for something different aren’t being met. So maybe time to stop sitting on hands…
BAP, you say the start of repression of WASPs in these places “long predates” 2010. When would you roughly tag it?
Before I get responses from others about WW2 or 1965 CRA or whatever: I know about all that. I’m strictly interested in BAP’s take on the narrow question of the timeline of WASP erasure
I'd place it at the end of the cold war and fully engaged by about 1995. They no longer needed a population base to staff the military and MIC, and so began burning the social capital wantonly
P.J. O’Rourke had a book of essays he published in the 90s called “All the Trouble in the World” where he clocks these people. It was eerie to read how just how long some of these types have persisted, as well as the institutional rot.
Interesting, thanks. These types were definitely running their mouths in the 70s 80s but I don’t get the sense that they had real influence until the 90s
You are certainly correct that this is a manifestation of something bad (for normal white men) moving up the food chain. It has been going on for a long time at lower social levels. This begs the question: why have (normal) white men become so weak in the first place? Or, rather, the elites? They weren't like this before, say, WWII. And this question applies equally to western Europe and the entire Anglosphere.
if you keep a pig fed and housed, he stays pink and oinky. If a domesticated pig escapes, he reverts to the boar form rapidly, tusks, coarse hair &c. That and the US judicial/prison system.
We want to believe there are talented imposters standing-by, ready to give back some semblance of a world we a) think once existed, b) thus believe we lost and c) believe the world wants. There is not and was never such a world (pre-2010s, pre-2000, pre-90s...) Whatever IP for a fleeting moment has color becomes formula and most don't know the difference (audiences have deadlines and mouths to feed–all else is trivial and who am I to say otherwise? Bless them!). I'm blessed for any knowledge and consumption of The Color that I got or will get (Bronze Age Mindset found its way to me, despite my being surrounded by vast deserts of ash). Many a color fed my mind in such ways that it could never return to its former state, most of which were never intended for mass consumption yet... the opportunities to feed are/were I daresay incalculable and without end. Some get a taste and need more and fin their way to it. I guess what I'm saying is you don't need Disney or Spotify or HarperCollins to feed. I certainly never have. I hear there's more unwatchable shit than ever before well Captain Obvious more media companies making more content = more unwatchable shit. When it was only HBO and Cinemax, 5% of it was what I'd call great. Multiply the number by 20+ streamers, there's your answer. Only difference to me is, when there wasn't anything on I had to entertain myself. Now one can keep scrolling indefinitely I suppose. Idk what my point is. Let the world go and accept everything exactly as it is. The world will be fine. The naturally occurring residue in the US of liberty, free speech, capitalism is always greatly underestimated and will long outlast present-day follies. Many low-information capture types (RW or progressive) may not even realize it but it's part of their source code too. Why I don't worry about the youths (far less the state of arts and entertainment media).
This reminds me of something TS Eliot said in ABC if Reading: "Jealousy of vigorous-living men has perhaps led in all times to a deformation of criticism and a distorted glorification of the past. Motive does not concern us, but error does. Glorifiers of the past commonly err in their computations because they measure the work of a present DECADE against the best work of a past century or even of a whole group of centuries. Obviously one man or six can't produce as many metrical triumphs in five years or in twenty, as five hundred troubadours, with no cinema, no novels, no radio to distract them, produced between 1050 and 1300. And the same applies in all departments.
The honest critic must be content to find VERY LITTLE contemporary work worth serious attention, but he must also be ready to RECOGNIZE that little, and to demote work of the past when a new work surpasses it."
What Eliot is saying here is when we opine about how good things used to be we sound like fools. Wrt this the online right is especially egregious (I only mention the right bc I consider myself a part of it).
What I want to read, and I may have to strain and risk nicotine over dose to write it myself, is an article on corporate life. Dreary office computer expert type jobs, not prestige media. I'm an older millennial, and have worked beset on all sides by Celestials, Hindustanis and other such witless and scheming "STEM brains". Someone needs to paint the picture of the unprecedented absurdity of 70 people on a Teams call pretending to understand an Indian consultant as he rattles off his platitudes and set phrases. We're talking about projects which five old school 1970s IBM guys could have wrapped in 6 weeks taking three years and 200k man hours to complete. Ridiculous broken English overlooked, bizarre code that spirals in to the solution instead of a tidy Saxon approach. Imagine nearly everyone you work with is Chinese or Indian, in America, at a well paying if unglamorous job. You signed up to be a computational septic man and now you have to work with these people, forever. It's not strictly discrimination, is a reworking of the labor market via the H1b visa. Path dependency means it's either a heroic career jump or go long BTC and Argentina until you can afford to flee.
Please write the article, you’ve already made a start with this comment. Also speaks to BAP’s point about discrimination being by the by, the focus should be on highlighting the total incompetence of the people who do have jobs both in ‘high status’ and unglamorous industries
I work in a lab, and about two years ago we hired someone who earned their science degree in India and had most work experience there (American work experience seemed to be for a company that I suspect only exists online). This scientist couldn't do anything except give excuses for why assignments weren't done, sometimes even making false statements about it. The Indian ended up quiting in less than a year, just as the boss asked human resources (HR) about the proper procedure for firing someone. The Indian scientist had escalated some petty matters to claims of harassment, so firing had to be done carefully.
Looking back, I wonder if the scientist planned to "fake it 'til you make it" or came in honestly thinking they could do the work. After they left, I was surprised at the number of stories that came out about their dishonesty in the workplace.
In any case, we changed several aspects of our hiring process after that.
He likely planned to fake it till he got fired, with no skin off his back while he cashes the paychecks. Lot of that going around...
https://x.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2002432238647193957
Just make it an AI screen play.
Please write it.
I'd like to read this article actually.
You need to read my story ‘PROXY’. 2 part tale of my time as a contractor for the UK government. Absurd might be an understatement. I won’t say any more because I have exhausted myself telling the tale itself. I think you’ll know what I mean if you read it.
This captures something that no numbers can: the qualitative decline in life in America during this period. It's different for different people, stunted careers for some, NGO sinecures for others, but the main emotion of my millennial career is a feeling that everything has kind of faded to gray, or that I've arrived at the party a little too late. Gave up on sports in undergrad because the other guys on the team were to stuck on womanly in fighting and pettiness instead of mutual support. Got to a once innovative grad program, to find no elders interested in doing work as disruptive as they had done in the 80s, and generations and generations of grad students making smaller and smaller contributions. Music and creative projects fell into endless edits and second-guessing. You're right about creative projects, the movie and other industries should be booming now with wild, experimental work: and most people noticing the decline blame technologies, social media, culture, anything but the lack of will, no inner flame (and I also wonder why no impresario has emerged, willing to lose money on something truly wild). What's missing everywhere is something mystic, the quality without a name. Even unpleasant experiences are gone, nothing truly dangerous in urban life, no transgression, no boundaries to cross, just a curated, disney experience of everything.
Sam Hyde is the only one I can think of doing this sort of thing in entertainment
They stole our futures. The correct response is not begging for more handouts, but rather the burning and rebuilding of the entire social and economic system.
Learned a new word: taqiyya. To our everlasting shame as a nation, we have imposed that despicable practice (known in German by a phrase meaning “inner emigration”) on an entire generation, and now a second generation, of American men.
We have a decision to make: do we get mad, or do we get even?
It’s obviously time to shake up this entire rotten system . . .
It's entered dissident parlance mostly through BAP and Yarvin, but scholars of the Middle East have long been aware of the practice, and have been eager to point out that it is not unique among Shi'ite Muslims of the Levant and Mesopotamia.
Taqiyya is a maladaptive survival mechanism. If you do it for long enough, the resulting cognitive dissonance is enough to trigger psychosis in even the healthiest individuals.
Yes, the Longhouse has been around for a long time, operating and insinuating itself in every industry and every organization, even those that were once primarily male dominated. Long before 2015, I was in law enforcement. The rural sheriff's department I worked for decided it needed more lady cops, I went through the police academy with several of these new hires. The most miserable group of gossipy harlots you will ever meet. One time, I was working with one of them when she was dispatched to a domestic call. I went there to back her up, since this was common procedure, but she was "primary" which meant she was supposed to be in charge of the scene and lead. When I arrived, both spouses were outside just screaming at each other, ignoring the deputy. The deputy herself had gone into "vapor lock" and was simply frozen on the spot. I had to take over as primary and give her specific commands while I took charge. When I told the shift commander about what happened, his response was "don't worry, this has happened before, we are putting her in the schools as a school resource deputy. No termination of employment or even a written reprimand. A man wouldn't have been so lucky. I thought to myself, God help us if there is a school shooter, at best, she will be killed while responding and at worst, we'll, I'll let you consider that. We've become okay with pure incompetence at every level of society. I'm glad at least I grew up in a society that still had standards unlike GenZ.
Fantastic point about grievance narratives being a strategic dead end. The shift from showcasing excellence to pure victimology after 2009 really did backfire for the left in ways people dunno fully appreciate yet. I've seen this play out in tech consulting where everyone focuses on demographic composition of medicore teams instead of the fact that the whole project should've taken 6 weeks not 3 years. The conformist company-man culture you describe pre-2010 is still the bigger problem becuase it filters out anyone with original ideas regardless of background.
“I think those who claim that stories of grievance and victimization were central to the leftist causes are somewhat misled on this point.”
This is myself. I’ve been confused about how the right should properly handle anti-whiteness without sounding/becoming like the lefty victimhood ideologies, which seems like it would lead to defeat in the long run anyway…
Your essays are appreciated. Keep on writing!
I stopped listening to Isaac Simpson’s podcast with Savage after he said his wife is a costume designer, after discussing “what went wrong with Hollywood?”
Thanks for the heads up. I went to the interview. Savage isn't white. He's probably middle eastern. So, the whole thing is a bit like Jews not wanting to be identified as being white. He may or may not be Jewish but he is not European.
Jewish men used to like being identified as white but because white men have become so weak they want to distance themselves these days.
He’s jewish.
“In academia, Hollywood, Washington, even in New York City—anywhere American Jews once made their mark—our influence is in steep decline.”
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishing
Thanks. I myself don’t blame Jews for the mess.
I felt implicated in the remarks on making films. I’ve been thinking a lot about this a lot lately. With some exceptions, I don’t watch any films produced in the last 15 years, and others have pointed, my appetites for something different aren’t being met. So maybe time to stop sitting on hands…
BAP, you say the start of repression of WASPs in these places “long predates” 2010. When would you roughly tag it?
Before I get responses from others about WW2 or 1965 CRA or whatever: I know about all that. I’m strictly interested in BAP’s take on the narrow question of the timeline of WASP erasure
Perfect response to the Savage piece ofc, you put into words the instinctive distaste I had for the article as well
I'd place it at the end of the cold war and fully engaged by about 1995. They no longer needed a population base to staff the military and MIC, and so began burning the social capital wantonly
I think you’re right
P.J. O’Rourke had a book of essays he published in the 90s called “All the Trouble in the World” where he clocks these people. It was eerie to read how just how long some of these types have persisted, as well as the institutional rot.
Interesting, thanks. These types were definitely running their mouths in the 70s 80s but I don’t get the sense that they had real influence until the 90s
. . . And Werner Herzog made Der Zorn Gottes on a budget of about $200k
You are certainly correct that this is a manifestation of something bad (for normal white men) moving up the food chain. It has been going on for a long time at lower social levels. This begs the question: why have (normal) white men become so weak in the first place? Or, rather, the elites? They weren't like this before, say, WWII. And this question applies equally to western Europe and the entire Anglosphere.
if you keep a pig fed and housed, he stays pink and oinky. If a domesticated pig escapes, he reverts to the boar form rapidly, tusks, coarse hair &c. That and the US judicial/prison system.
They were mind-poisoned and now misapply their power.
Thanks for your comment but I don’t think it was the Jews, if that’s what you are getting at.
Gay jew
We want to believe there are talented imposters standing-by, ready to give back some semblance of a world we a) think once existed, b) thus believe we lost and c) believe the world wants. There is not and was never such a world (pre-2010s, pre-2000, pre-90s...) Whatever IP for a fleeting moment has color becomes formula and most don't know the difference (audiences have deadlines and mouths to feed–all else is trivial and who am I to say otherwise? Bless them!). I'm blessed for any knowledge and consumption of The Color that I got or will get (Bronze Age Mindset found its way to me, despite my being surrounded by vast deserts of ash). Many a color fed my mind in such ways that it could never return to its former state, most of which were never intended for mass consumption yet... the opportunities to feed are/were I daresay incalculable and without end. Some get a taste and need more and fin their way to it. I guess what I'm saying is you don't need Disney or Spotify or HarperCollins to feed. I certainly never have. I hear there's more unwatchable shit than ever before well Captain Obvious more media companies making more content = more unwatchable shit. When it was only HBO and Cinemax, 5% of it was what I'd call great. Multiply the number by 20+ streamers, there's your answer. Only difference to me is, when there wasn't anything on I had to entertain myself. Now one can keep scrolling indefinitely I suppose. Idk what my point is. Let the world go and accept everything exactly as it is. The world will be fine. The naturally occurring residue in the US of liberty, free speech, capitalism is always greatly underestimated and will long outlast present-day follies. Many low-information capture types (RW or progressive) may not even realize it but it's part of their source code too. Why I don't worry about the youths (far less the state of arts and entertainment media).
This reminds me of something TS Eliot said in ABC if Reading: "Jealousy of vigorous-living men has perhaps led in all times to a deformation of criticism and a distorted glorification of the past. Motive does not concern us, but error does. Glorifiers of the past commonly err in their computations because they measure the work of a present DECADE against the best work of a past century or even of a whole group of centuries. Obviously one man or six can't produce as many metrical triumphs in five years or in twenty, as five hundred troubadours, with no cinema, no novels, no radio to distract them, produced between 1050 and 1300. And the same applies in all departments.
The honest critic must be content to find VERY LITTLE contemporary work worth serious attention, but he must also be ready to RECOGNIZE that little, and to demote work of the past when a new work surpasses it."
What Eliot is saying here is when we opine about how good things used to be we sound like fools. Wrt this the online right is especially egregious (I only mention the right bc I consider myself a part of it).
How to fix?
Way too little and way too late